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Jon

Jan 15, 07 - 10:46 AM

Warp 2007

Any news or tests

I have to say that I'm a little bit confused since North-Sails doesn't have any top formula racers in their team ? Is that a choise of them, or do they don't have the money or can't they get the top sailors to use the sails.

Any information here?

team miami

Jan 15th, 2007 - 2:09 PM

Re: Warp 2007

results will be posted soon.

rick r

Jan 16th, 2007 - 4:10 AM

Re: Warp 2007

I guess you don't read the reports on this website......

Jon

Jan 16th, 2007 - 8:59 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Cant' find any test results of warp 2007 here, where not found in test results

rick r

Jan 19th, 2007 - 4:00 AM

Re: Warp 2007

None yet, as the Caviglia race was the first one where anyone sailed some (they sure look great). But then again, Micah sailed the new Neil Pryde's for the first time at this race too.....Most sailmakers release their new race sails in the period of now through March, and always have. So hopefully soon there will be plenty of info on them.

But you wanted to know about top sailors using the North Sails, and that is reported on......

Joe

Mar 23rd, 2007 - 2:26 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Couple of races has been raced over there.It seems that Warp 2007 were numerous.
Some news on them?
I sail the 161 so NP or Severne would be a good choice too.
Any news on them too?
thank you

06 or 07

Mar 23rd, 2007 - 4:16 AM

Re: Warp 2007

I was late to make an order for Warp 07 and now has an opportunity for new Warp 06 with good discount. What improvements I'll lose using 06 sail instead of 07?

marco

Apr 10th, 2007 - 9:35 AM

Re: Warp 2007

any advice on Warp 2007 will be more than welcome.i should order my formula sail.I'd like prydes but scared about masts failures so North could be a very good alternative.Any help?

friend

Apr 11th, 2007 - 6:01 AM

Re: Warp 2007

pleeeeeeeeeeeeese !!!!

Team Miami

Apr 11th, 2007 - 6:35 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Test reports for racing sails will be post soon...

friend

Apr 11th, 2007 - 12:04 PM

Re: Warp 2007

I have to order my racing sails and still not decided between North and Pryde so any report is much appreciated.
How long we have to wait?
thank you

Team Miami

Apr 12th, 2007 - 6:48 AM

Re: Warp 2007

test is ready .

friend

Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:08 AM

Re: Warp 2007

where I can see it?
thank you

friend

Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:11 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Is it the one coming from WIND mag ?

friend

Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:38 AM

Re: Warp 2007

opsss, yes it is!

new to F2 boards

May 13th, 2007 - 11:48 PM

Re: Warp 2007

"Lots of the downtime is being spent discussing equipment and tuning. A huge majority of the racers are using the F2 Formula board, and Gonzalo has been sharing some tuning secrets learned at the last few events in Europe. The fin of choice is still the Kashy, for those lucky enough to have them."

I live on the other side of the globe. Would be very nice to read here some of that secrets, numeric settings, specific problems and detection ways. My board will arrive this week. Your forum and website is that rare place where I can find something useful about F2 FW boards and NS sails.
Thank you in advance.

RickR

May 15th, 2007 - 7:29 AM

Re: Warp 2007

The tuning news is: use the plates! This is especially true if you are a big guy, but they are good for everyone. You will have to test a bit on your own to decide how many spacers to use, in what conditions. Plates all the way down promotes earlier and longer planning, and at least some plates are good in very rough conditions as well. No plates may be good in smooth water, and very steady strong winds (where does that happen?)

Also, keep the mast step behind midway.

new to F2 boards

May 16th, 2007 - 12:01 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Thank you!!!
What footstrap positions and boom height works the best?

RickR

May 17th, 2007 - 7:51 AM

Re: Warp 2007

The suggested footstrap locations are good, and a very high boom. Check the pics and you will see everyone using a high boom location.

new to F2

May 20th, 2007 - 1:52 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Thank you.
Tested the board with r17S +8 and r19-S +6. Wind 10-17kts, 11sqm NS Warp06.
With r19 board holds direction better, r17 tries to spinout in the holes, but very good acceleration downwind, nose swings up-down more than on r19.
Tight footsraps makes legs tired very fast. Looser straps allows feet to fit the deck very nice. Board is very comfortable. Loose front straps increases light wind pumping efctiveness.

Competitions will be the next weekend. Is it worth to change rake angle of r17S from +8 to +6?

RickR

May 21st, 2007 - 4:30 AM

Re: Warp 2007

The R17 is faster than R19, but it does spin out if pushed too hard. Try to not "stand on the fin" soo much, especially in lulls. You have to ride the board almost more like a waveboard: let the fin power up, rail the board up and ride upwind, then back off, then repeat. This will get you upwind more effectively with the "soft" fins.

new to F2

Jun 4th, 2007 - 9:19 AM

Re: Warp 2007

This weekend had 12 races, totally 180km according GPS.
Very gusty and very shifty winds. All plates mounted and r19s- +6 was better for me than r17s +8 because ride was more stable, r19 reacted to every shift very smooth, without speed decrease, board flies over the chop. On r17 chop kicks the board stronger, hard to concentrate. Could it be because of angle of r17 is +8?

bra-18

Jun 12th, 2007 - 5:28 PM

Re: Warp 2007

Hi guys, I have the 11.9 Warp 2006 and now I bought the 11.0 warp 2007... Does someone here now some tuning tips for the warp?? (spacers, downhaul, outhaul... etc..)

8

Jun 17th, 2007 - 11:04 AM

Re: Warp 2007

use VTS

bra-18

Jun 17th, 2007 - 1:45 PM

Re: Warp 2007

VTS????

new to F2

Jun 18th, 2007 - 3:31 AM

Re: Warp 2007

VTS - visual trim system??? Stickers "Strong wind" "Light wind" on sail on the second pannel from top.

new to F2

Jun 18th, 2007 - 7:06 AM

Re: Warp 2007

This weekend r19 scanged to r17s +8 again. sail 11.0., downhaul - wrinkle doesn't reach "MAX" VTS sticker by 5 cm. plates all down. wind aprox 14 kts upwind board accelerates quikly, but when good speed is reached, it doesn't accelerates in the gusts (16-18kts). feels like board becames unstable and a lot of drag appears.
what is the problem?
shouls I remove plates? decrease fin rake?

bra-18

Jun 18th, 2007 - 6:43 PM

Re: Warp 2007

remove the plates.... use it only in light winds...

US -188

Jun 22nd, 2007 - 7:20 AM

Re: Warp 2007

r17 + 8 is not good for higth winds , you need rake +4 or less to make your board feel free, use your plates only when use 12 meters sail or bigger but you need to use the plates if it is a lot of waves to keep your board from fly upwind .
so :
1-Flat water windy = no plates
2-Flat water ligth wind = plates ( 3 different positions , depend on your trim , but use it will help you to plane early and keep on planing)
3- higth waves and windy = plates ( keep your board from fly.)

This board need a wider fin R 17 is to narro in the base try = kashy ( if you can) or ( selet O5 wide 70 soft , really good for up wind but difficult for downwind) I hope this help

bra-18

Jun 24th, 2007 - 9:13 PM

Re: Warp 2007

US-188, what about the R19??? I use the R19 70cm S +8... I think it isn't the best fin... should I change it? or should I use it for light winds?

rick r

Jun 25th, 2007 - 4:24 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Raced yesterday against US 188 and here were settings and results:

wind was 10-12, both on 11.0.

US 188 on Kashy fin and North Warp 11.0, no plates.

US 089 on D R19 +8 S--, TR 3 11.0 Full plates

US 188 consistently faster speed, and able to climb higher upwind over the course of upwind legs, better acceleration also.

Anyone want to buy a D r19?

new to F2

Jun 25th, 2007 - 1:26 PM

Re: Warp 2007

Had two very different days.
Saturday. 8-10 kts, no plates 11.0 Warp06, R19 S- +6. Conditions were very light and no real match racing against SB161 12.0 Vapor happened. I was trying board for the first time without plates. At this moment I'm sure that plates doesn't help to start planing earlier. I tried to pump and push with rear leg with foot placed between pipe hole and chicken strap. No pressure on front leg. Board starts planing twice faster than it was earlier. That pumping with rear foot technique was told to me by freestyler.
Not tested in competition.

Sunaday.
12-18kts. 11.0 warp, no plates,R19S- +6, mastfoot at recomended position, chop about 1m (3.3 ft) high. I was flying every 5th wave at first. Angle upwind and speed were not good. Board was very stable downwind

12-16kts with R17S +8, no plates, mastfoot 1-1.5cm (1/2inch)forward from recomended position. Angle and speed much better, almost no flying. In 100-200m fields with smooth waves board increases speed very fast and gains visible lead.
R17 is more sensitive and more nervous downwind. Had several spinouts after too much downwind surfing on wave and some fin lifts on acceleration in chop. Fin behaves very stable at high speed.
Not tested in competitions.

Week ago the same fins were tested in competition with plates, flat water, 12-18kts. R19 was better in angle and results. I think that plates cut the speed and R17 was not able to show its performance:)

bra-18

Jun 25th, 2007 - 3:05 PM

Re: Warp 2007

I agree that plates cut the top end speed but gives you more control ... ( I think )

g

Aug 9th, 2007 - 3:28 AM

Re: Warp 2007

Tabou prototype photos from Leba:

http://www.vejasgalvoje.lt/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=1

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Jon Jan 15, 07 - 10:46 AM	Warp 2007 Any news or tests I have to say that I'm a little bit confused since North-Sails doesn't have any top formula racers in their team ? Is that a choise of them, or do they don't have the money or can't they get the top sailors to use the sails. Any information here?
team miami Jan 15th, 2007 - 2:09 PM	Re: Warp 2007 results will be posted soon.
rick r Jan 16th, 2007 - 4:10 AM	Re: Warp 2007 I guess you don't read the reports on this website......
Jon Jan 16th, 2007 - 8:59 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Cant' find any test results of warp 2007 here, where not found in test results
rick r Jan 19th, 2007 - 4:00 AM	Re: Warp 2007 None yet, as the Caviglia race was the first one where anyone sailed some (they sure look great). But then again, Micah sailed the new Neil Pryde's for the first time at this race too.....Most sailmakers release their new race sails in the period of now through March, and always have. So hopefully soon there will be plenty of info on them. But you wanted to know about top sailors using the North Sails, and that is reported on......
Joe Mar 23rd, 2007 - 2:26 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Couple of races has been raced over there.It seems that Warp 2007 were numerous. Some news on them? I sail the 161 so NP or Severne would be a good choice too. Any news on them too? thank you
06 or 07 Mar 23rd, 2007 - 4:16 AM	Re: Warp 2007 I was late to make an order for Warp 07 and now has an opportunity for new Warp 06 with good discount. What improvements I'll lose using 06 sail instead of 07?
marco Apr 10th, 2007 - 9:35 AM	Re: Warp 2007 any advice on Warp 2007 will be more than welcome.i should order my formula sail.I'd like prydes but scared about masts failures so North could be a very good alternative.Any help?
friend Apr 11th, 2007 - 6:01 AM	Re: Warp 2007 pleeeeeeeeeeeeese !!!!
Team Miami Apr 11th, 2007 - 6:35 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Test reports for racing sails will be post soon...
friend Apr 11th, 2007 - 12:04 PM	Re: Warp 2007 I have to order my racing sails and still not decided between North and Pryde so any report is much appreciated. How long we have to wait? thank you
Team Miami Apr 12th, 2007 - 6:48 AM	Re: Warp 2007 test is ready .
friend Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:08 AM	Re: Warp 2007 where I can see it? thank you
friend Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:11 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Is it the one coming from WIND mag ?
friend Apr 12th, 2007 - 7:38 AM	Re: Warp 2007 opsss, yes it is!
new to F2 boards May 13th, 2007 - 11:48 PM	Re: Warp 2007 "Lots of the downtime is being spent discussing equipment and tuning. A huge majority of the racers are using the F2 Formula board, and Gonzalo has been sharing some tuning secrets learned at the last few events in Europe. The fin of choice is still the Kashy, for those lucky enough to have them." I live on the other side of the globe. Would be very nice to read here some of that secrets, numeric settings, specific problems and detection ways. My board will arrive this week. Your forum and website is that rare place where I can find something useful about F2 FW boards and NS sails. Thank you in advance.
RickR May 15th, 2007 - 7:29 AM	Re: Warp 2007 The tuning news is: use the plates! This is especially true if you are a big guy, but they are good for everyone. You will have to test a bit on your own to decide how many spacers to use, in what conditions. Plates all the way down promotes earlier and longer planning, and at least some plates are good in very rough conditions as well. No plates may be good in smooth water, and very steady strong winds (where does that happen?) Also, keep the mast step behind midway.
new to F2 boards May 16th, 2007 - 12:01 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Thank you!!! What footstrap positions and boom height works the best?
RickR May 17th, 2007 - 7:51 AM	Re: Warp 2007 The suggested footstrap locations are good, and a very high boom. Check the pics and you will see everyone using a high boom location.
new to F2 May 20th, 2007 - 1:52 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Thank you. Tested the board with r17S +8 and r19-S +6. Wind 10-17kts, 11sqm NS Warp06. With r19 board holds direction better, r17 tries to spinout in the holes, but very good acceleration downwind, nose swings up-down more than on r19. Tight footsraps makes legs tired very fast. Looser straps allows feet to fit the deck very nice. Board is very comfortable. Loose front straps increases light wind pumping efctiveness. Competitions will be the next weekend. Is it worth to change rake angle of r17S from +8 to +6?
RickR May 21st, 2007 - 4:30 AM	Re: Warp 2007 The R17 is faster than R19, but it does spin out if pushed too hard. Try to not "stand on the fin" soo much, especially in lulls. You have to ride the board almost more like a waveboard: let the fin power up, rail the board up and ride upwind, then back off, then repeat. This will get you upwind more effectively with the "soft" fins.
new to F2 Jun 4th, 2007 - 9:19 AM	Re: Warp 2007 This weekend had 12 races, totally 180km according GPS. Very gusty and very shifty winds. All plates mounted and r19s- +6 was better for me than r17s +8 because ride was more stable, r19 reacted to every shift very smooth, without speed decrease, board flies over the chop. On r17 chop kicks the board stronger, hard to concentrate. Could it be because of angle of r17 is +8?
bra-18 Jun 12th, 2007 - 5:28 PM	Re: Warp 2007 Hi guys, I have the 11.9 Warp 2006 and now I bought the 11.0 warp 2007... Does someone here now some tuning tips for the warp?? (spacers, downhaul, outhaul... etc..)
8 Jun 17th, 2007 - 11:04 AM	Re: Warp 2007 use VTS
bra-18 Jun 17th, 2007 - 1:45 PM	Re: Warp 2007 VTS????
new to F2 Jun 18th, 2007 - 3:31 AM	Re: Warp 2007 VTS - visual trim system??? Stickers "Strong wind" "Light wind" on sail on the second pannel from top.
new to F2 Jun 18th, 2007 - 7:06 AM	Re: Warp 2007 This weekend r19 scanged to r17s +8 again. sail 11.0., downhaul - wrinkle doesn't reach "MAX" VTS sticker by 5 cm. plates all down. wind aprox 14 kts upwind board accelerates quikly, but when good speed is reached, it doesn't accelerates in the gusts (16-18kts). feels like board becames unstable and a lot of drag appears. what is the problem? shouls I remove plates? decrease fin rake?
bra-18 Jun 18th, 2007 - 6:43 PM	Re: Warp 2007 remove the plates.... use it only in light winds...
US -188 Jun 22nd, 2007 - 7:20 AM	Re: Warp 2007 r17 + 8 is not good for higth winds , you need rake +4 or less to make your board feel free, use your plates only when use 12 meters sail or bigger but you need to use the plates if it is a lot of waves to keep your board from fly upwind . so : 1-Flat water windy = no plates 2-Flat water ligth wind = plates ( 3 different positions , depend on your trim , but use it will help you to plane early and keep on planing) 3- higth waves and windy = plates ( keep your board from fly.) This board need a wider fin R 17 is to narro in the base try = kashy ( if you can) or ( selet O5 wide 70 soft , really good for up wind but difficult for downwind) I hope this help
bra-18 Jun 24th, 2007 - 9:13 PM	Re: Warp 2007 US-188, what about the R19??? I use the R19 70cm S +8... I think it isn't the best fin... should I change it? or should I use it for light winds?
rick r Jun 25th, 2007 - 4:24 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Raced yesterday against US 188 and here were settings and results: wind was 10-12, both on 11.0. US 188 on Kashy fin and North Warp 11.0, no plates. US 089 on D R19 +8 S--, TR 3 11.0 Full plates US 188 consistently faster speed, and able to climb higher upwind over the course of upwind legs, better acceleration also. Anyone want to buy a D r19?
new to F2 Jun 25th, 2007 - 1:26 PM	Re: Warp 2007 Had two very different days. Saturday. 8-10 kts, no plates 11.0 Warp06, R19 S- +6. Conditions were very light and no real match racing against SB161 12.0 Vapor happened. I was trying board for the first time without plates. At this moment I'm sure that plates doesn't help to start planing earlier. I tried to pump and push with rear leg with foot placed between pipe hole and chicken strap. No pressure on front leg. Board starts planing twice faster than it was earlier. That pumping with rear foot technique was told to me by freestyler. Not tested in competition. Sunaday. 12-18kts. 11.0 warp, no plates,R19S- +6, mastfoot at recomended position, chop about 1m (3.3 ft) high. I was flying every 5th wave at first. Angle upwind and speed were not good. Board was very stable downwind 12-16kts with R17S +8, no plates, mastfoot 1-1.5cm (1/2inch)forward from recomended position. Angle and speed much better, almost no flying. In 100-200m fields with smooth waves board increases speed very fast and gains visible lead. R17 is more sensitive and more nervous downwind. Had several spinouts after too much downwind surfing on wave and some fin lifts on acceleration in chop. Fin behaves very stable at high speed. Not tested in competitions. Week ago the same fins were tested in competition with plates, flat water, 12-18kts. R19 was better in angle and results. I think that plates cut the speed and R17 was not able to show its performance:)
bra-18 Jun 25th, 2007 - 3:05 PM	Re: Warp 2007 I agree that plates cut the top end speed but gives you more control ... ( I think )
g Aug 9th, 2007 - 3:28 AM	Re: Warp 2007 Tabou prototype photos from Leba: http://www.vejasgalvoje.lt/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=1